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And now, the Sci-Fi Channel original series, Sci-Fi Investigates.

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Throughout history there have been inexplicable phenomena.

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Paranormal experiences.

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Mythical creatures.

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Events that defy logic.

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Now, Sci-Fi Channel has assembled a team of investigators.

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Four individuals with different expertise.

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You're suggesting it.

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And very different perspectives.

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Not at all.

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He doesn't believe anything.

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It's not that I don't believe anything.

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Together, they will search for the truth behind mysteries old and new.

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Woo!

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Good science, after all.

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Archaeologist Bill Duhlman.

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How come there's no tangible evidence?

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Crime scene investigator Deborah DeBritney.

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Paranormal investigator Rich Dolan.

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I think that there is secret technology.

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Skeptic Rob Mariano.

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Kids finding errors already.

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And guest investigator Lisa VanCam.

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The team behind Sci-Fi Investigates.

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Tonight, the Sci-Fi Investigates team goes into the New Mexico Desert,

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digging for clues at the site of the most famous and controversial UFO case in history.

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The Roswell Incident.

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This project is the first one that I know of to try and actually find physical evidence of the Roswell UFO crash.

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Using the latest technology, the team tries to unearth pieces of an alien craft

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that may have crashed almost 60 years ago.

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Got something here.

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Bill, we got a hit.

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The story goes back to July 1947, when rancher Mack Brazzel stumbled upon the discovery of a lifetime.

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Strange metallic-looking debris scattered across the New Mexico Desert.

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The government made a shocking announcement.

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A UFO had crashed, but the next day the story suddenly changed.

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The UFO became a weather balloon.

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Years later, the Air Force said it was the remains of a top secret project, but no spacecraft, no aliens.

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This will be the final word on the Roswell incident.

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I find the balloon explanation to be laughable and kind of an insult.

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Now, the team goes in search of evidence of a scar buried in the ground,

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where the UFO reportedly crashed and investigates shocking claims of alien bodies.

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And grandpa just shook his head and said, the poor little creatures.

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They uncover a new eyewitness whose startling account is revealed for the first time.

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You feel confident that that was not a human being?

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Who will be convinced?

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He's out of his freaking mind.

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And will the investigation in the desert get heated?

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I'm not afraid of you.

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I'm not afraid of you either.

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Sci-Fi investigates the Roswell incident.

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Our team of investigators comes from a variety of backgrounds and perspectives.

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For this particular mission, we have a guest investigator, Lisa Van Camp.

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She's filling in for Debbie, who couldn't make it.

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It should be interesting to see how this all plays out.

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I'm Rob Mariano and I'm just a regular guy.

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My name's Richard Dolan.

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I'm in the UFO research field.

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I wrote a book called UFOs and the National Security State.

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So what do you think?

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Are they real?

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It's totally real.

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It is.

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100%.

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I'm Lisa Van Camp.

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I'm an evidence handler from a forensics lab in New Jersey.

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So your stuff?

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It's good to have an open mind about this and really get to the bottom of it.

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Woo!

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It's our first mission, I think.

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It's a luggage.

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You are big.

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We're going out to the Roswell wreckage site or at least the alleged site.

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How do I do this window?

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This man is...

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I've never seen this kitchen.

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You ever drove a copy before, bro?

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We'll be meeting up with Bill Dolman.

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My name is Bill Dolman.

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I'm a professional archaeologist.

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I've spent my entire 30-year career here in New Mexico.

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Time what they would call in the world of science a principal investigator.

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The entire Roswell story is based on eyewitness reports sworn affidavits.

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Two things that we need to get.

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Physical evidence is the only thing that will ever really convince people

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that that Roswell UFO crash happened.

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One other thing that's important in the desert, especially if you're an archaeologist,

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and that's the beer.

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Yeah boy, archaeology is about to hit the road.

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We're going to go to a place out in the New Mexico desert about 30 miles southeast of

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We are on our way to the Roswell UFO crash site.

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And think of southeastern New Mexico as a big haystack.

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And what we're looking for is a little needle somewhere in it.

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This is beautiful.

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Wow, we're getting close guys.

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So what do you think, Reg? Is this like alien landing territory?

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You know, I'm excited about this journey.

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When it comes down to it, I'm going to try to keep an open mind.

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I'd like to just find just a piece of it.

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Just a piece.

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I'm looking for evidence, any kind of evidence that we could find.

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I'm really hopeful that we will find something.

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Let's just assume for a second that this does exist and the government is covering it up.

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Is it better maybe?

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I mean, why would they keep the secret?

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Maybe it's better to keep the secret.

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Maybe people freak out and take the end of the world's going.

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That's why.

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You know?

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Rob, he's going to push some buttons.

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I think with Rich, he's already pushing buttons and he's pushing buttons with me.

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You can't worry about things.

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You don't, it don't affect you.

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Some people are inclined to say okay, whatever.

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And then other people think I don't have to act like I'm five years old and I have a right to know

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being a citizen in what's supposed to be a free country.

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So now you're saying you're not going to keep a secret?

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I'm five years old.

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No, I'm not saying.

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I'm a carrot, you're not being nice.

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This is a guy who, he needs to be shown.

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He wants to be shown and that's the way to be.

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Whether you considered it as something real or not, I had this moment of,

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I call it cultural schizophrenia.

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Official truth and then there's a son official truth or at least alleged truth.

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You're starting to lose me a little bit, Rich.

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He's out of his freaking mind.

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He spent the last 12 years of his life writing a book about aliens.

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We certainly have different perspectives and personalities.

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I'm fine with it.

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We're different people.

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We're setting up on the Foster Ranch Skip site or debris field as it's known.

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The location where Mac Brazel ostensibly found strange metallic debris and a gouge

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Our archaeological focus is going to be on this area here because the reason we're here

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is to go back and see if this is the furrow.

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Proof of a furrow or gouge in the ground could support the claim that a UFO impacted the earth there.

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We are continuing research that we did in 2002 and in that 2002 research,

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we were looking for physical evidence of what people claim happened there.

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Before we do that, however, we've got a mark in our baseline.

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The baseline that we set up in 2002, the baseline is marked with 12 inch gutter spikes

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at 10 meter intervals.

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Let's go to work.

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Come up and give me a sweep up here because I'm where it's supposed to be, but I sure don't see anything.

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First, we found the baseline.

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It's aligned, oriented as best as possible to align with eyewitness accounts of where that furrow used to be.

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Now that we've established our grid system, we're in a position to start doing archaeology.

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And so tomorrow Rob, Lisa and Rich will be here with me and we're going to start digging holes in the ground,

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putting dirt through screens, looking for artifacts and looking for that anomaly in the ground.

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This is all that I have. That's it. It was an experience just to find this place.

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We're like in the middle of nowhere. I mean, look at this freaking place.

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Are you kidding me? If I was an alien, I wouldn't come here. Rob, what room are you in? Number one.

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There we go. This'll do. How's your room? It's nice. Cool. It's like an old stove and everything in here.

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We'll all have something to contribute and we'll have something that we can learn from each other.

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I really do believe in that. I'm looking forward to seeing how this all plays out.

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Got something here.

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Coming up, will the team finally unearth physical evidence of one of the biggest mysteries in US history?

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And later, a sci-fi exclusive, Mac Brazell's granddaughter reveals what the rancher told

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his family about his unnerving discovery. Did he ever mention anything about bodies to you?

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Thank God for Dale Kline. When I woke up this morning, I was ready to sleep for at least three more hours.

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But I knew we had a lot of work to get done out of the site today.

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The rest of my team showed up. Rob, Lisa and Rich. Well, howdy, howdy, howdy. Welcome to Alien

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Archaeology in New Mexico. You guys ready to go? Let's do it. All right. Let's hop in.

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As far as what I ever thought happened to Rod as well, I think that there's an explanation that

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still hasn't been given by the by the Air Force and by the government. And could that be an extraterrestrial

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craft? I would say that's my opinion. I think Rich Dolan is a true believer and I think he'll do just

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about anything to keep his hopes and beliefs alive. A lot of these scientists are secretly interested,

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but they are terrified to come forward to tell anyone. If you were to find anything, it would be

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the biggest thing in history. I think we're kind of jazzed by the time we got to the site.

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Okay, sorry folks, no more AC. We are here.

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When we got to the site, I gave them an overview of the work that we had done in 2002, how that

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had led to some unanswered questions and some places that we wanted to investigate more intensively.

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It was late that last day when I looked in the side of this backhoe trench and I went,

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holy bleep. This is what we were lucky for. I took this picture about an hour after the

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excavation and I don't know if you can see anything, but I see a line going down here

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exactly and it bees back up this way. Do you see it, Lisa? I do. How about you Rob?

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See the one coming up? Uh-huh. Looking at it, physically looking at it and being an archaeologist,

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what are my specialties? Something there. Interpreting stratigraphy in the sides of trenches.

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Those subtle marks indicated to me that we might have found evidence of an old gouge in the ground

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where a UFO could have hit the earth at Glancing Blow. So let's go meet Dr. Heidman.

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Dr. Dave Heidman and his assistant are going to help us by using different kinds of technology

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to locate that gouge in the ground as well as to find any debris that was left over from the UFO

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impact. What's this fancy instrument all about? What is that? This is a high resolution metal

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detector that is juiced up a little bit so we can detect an object of let's say a bottle cap

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down to a depth of four to five feet. So this essentially will give us the road map to tell us

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where we need to dig. He has a high resolution metal detector which is great if what we're looking

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for is actually made out of metal. Who knows, it's supposed to be a spaceship, right? And then we'll

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follow it up with this other instrument. This is the ground penetrating radar. With this instrument

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we hope to find disturbed soil layers if they exist. Dave Heidman's equipment looks like a lawnmower

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to me. A really expensive lawnmower. Let me tell you, it does look like a lawnmower. Can I try it?

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Go for it Lisa. You show me how this works? As it rolls along the wheel,

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click, click, click. I wanted to volunteer with the machine because I wanted to learn

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what they do out here. I want to see it. That's what I do. I collect evidence. You tell me when.

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Lisa is energetic, intelligent, excited, and passionate about this. And I find those characteristics

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all to be really neat. A big pile of something that you may not want to run over.

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Too bad this isn't Bigfoot because I think I would have found something.

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Lisa Van Camp is a forensic technician which is great in a crime lab. But I mean,

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we're out here in the middle of New Mexico desert. She's got her nails in like a French manicure.

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It's looking good so far. I can get down and dirty with the boys and I am going to be a positive

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force to be reckoned with, believe me. Bring it on Rob. That's not gonna work. You want this?

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Yeah, just for a sec. Yep. Today what we're doing is we're doing some grid digging. And what that

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involves is taking about one inch of dirt and moving it around a little bit and putting it

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through a sifter to see if we find any alien wreckage. It's a very systematic process. We're

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supposed to go up only to the flag, right? Right, exactly. I assume when we come in that I would

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get a chance to observe some of the archaeological work that was being done. Of course, it's hard

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stuff, isn't it? I was actually really pleased to know that I was going to be helping out and

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doing some digging. That's hard work, by the way. Can I pick this up with my hands and just put this

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there? Okay, that's what I'll do to my next million stuff on it. I want to find something. I need some evidence.

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We got something here. We got something.

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Bill, we got a hit!

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Coming up, will the team's discovery finally solve the Roswell mystery? Guys, I'm hitting

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like a metal piece right here. Just go ahead, just lift that top.

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And later, Rich delves into suspicions of a government cover-up at Roswell.

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There's no question that they have been lying through their teeth.

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We were using the high-resolution metal detector when we got a signal that indicated something

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under the surface of the ground. We got a hit! We'll just tape off the baseline, so we immediately

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set up a grid and started excavating. You get a hit, we dig a hole. We just found apparent

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metals that are interesting and that we're going to dig out and see what's down there.

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If we're about to unearth the first piece of an extra-trust real vessel, we want to be very

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scientific about how we do it. So you're going to go with your trials. The team members were

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really excited when this happened, and I was really excited too. Your main goal on your first pass

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is just to pick up the vegetation. There's something here, it's going to be right close to the surface.

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Looks for anything that looks man-made or doesn't look natural to this environment.

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I don't see anything. It looks like rocks to me and grass.

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Guys, I'm hitting like a metal piece right here. Just go here, just lift up, top, fold it off.

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Trying to uncover it rather than dislodge it.

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Does that look recognizable to anyone?

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I want to get some shots of the people we actually picked up. It was a piece of metal about

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six, seven inches long. It's curved. Can I pick it up? No, not yet. Let me get a shot in here.

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Yeah, go ahead and pull it out. Oh, sorry, I can't. Oh yeah.

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Something that was broken too. Yeah. I know exactly what it is. What is it? I do. It appears to be

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steel and looking at it with my prior experience with horses, it's part of a bridle, and that's

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exactly what you might find out here in the ranching country. So it wasn't a piece of a spacing.

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Good find. Oh yeah. It's found big-smeared poop over there too earlier. A UFO might have crashed

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here in 1947. I'm not saying that it did it, but I'm saying today in 2006, we're not going to find a

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damn thing. It's long gone. Rob's a good guy, but Rob doesn't know Jack about this topic,

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so he doesn't qualify either as a skeptic or as a believer because he doesn't know enough.

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Rob thinks that he is the voice for society, and I really thought about it today, and he's not.

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That's just in case the aliens come back. They can let it play.

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Well, folks, we've come to the end of our first day out here, and I think we got a fair amount

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accomplished. Tomorrow we're going to continue with the excavation, so we'll call it a night.

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Let's go set up camp. Okay.

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At the end of a long, hot, hard day on site, I invited everybody to participate in what is truly

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an age-old tradition of field archaeologists. That's taken a dip in the nearest stocking.

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Some people took me up on that invitation. Some did not.

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Field works long, hard, hot days. The only thing that keeps people from flying off the handle when

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they get really pushed is that they have bonded really well with those other people that are

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working on the same thing and towards the same end. We can have our tests next to each other

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just not too close, bro. I'm excited to camp out tonight, but I have to admit I'm tired, too.

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It's going to be fun. It's going to be interesting how this pans out.

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It's not bad over there, Rob. It's good. Not bad. Start singing. I'm a survivor. Is that your theme song?

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Hey, Rob, you know I was just messing with you, right?

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I'm not afraid of you. I'm not afraid of you either. I decided today.

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Put your bottom down first and stake it in. You think so? Yeah, I think so. I think put the

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bottom down first and stake it in. At the end, when he was done his tent, he came over and

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he helped me with my tent. Put this part here to the bottom. He put it up with me. And that meant

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something because he didn't go run over and sit down in a chair and drink a corona and laugh at us

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at that point. Just like that. Now put it up and then put the other ones on after. It really made me

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know that on the outside he might appear really rough, but he has a good inside as well.

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My whole thing at the end of the day was, you know what, if we're not looking in the right place,

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then what's the point of looking? It's a best guess at this time. Yeah, that's what it is.

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We're doing a lot of guessing right now. We guess that we're in the right spot. We guess that

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the ship is made out of metal. Exactly. We've been doing a lot of guessing. You're looking for

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evidence of a gouge. I mean, to me, that's the most significant thing that you're going to be looking

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for. Just because something hit the earth and caused a gouge doesn't necessarily mean it was from

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extraterrestrial. True, but if you have someone saying that's something that a ship slammed into

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and then years later you find a gouge in that spot, that doesn't prove it, but that's certainly

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worth knowing about. And hopefully tomorrow we'll meet more people too. I really am interested

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in talking to some of the witnesses. Today we've made some progress and hopefully tomorrow we'll

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make some more. Cool. I think now it's time to just get some rest and sleep on it. Goodnight guys.

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Sleep tight. Don't let the rattlesnake bite.

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Coming up, the granddaughter of the rancher who first discovered the Roswell crash

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breaks her silence. Grandpa just lowered his head and kind of shook his head

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and said the poor little creatures. And later, Rich probes accusations of a government cover-up.

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Why wouldn't the Air Force be telling the truth?

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I think I woke up first today. I took in the surroundings. It's just absolutely beautiful

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out here. You feel that heat in the tent and it's time to get out.

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Look at Bigfoot and he's a Red Sox fan.

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So I got up a little bit later than everybody else. I don't see what the big deal is.

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Well we're about to talk to a Donchman and Tom Carey. I feel that these two guys are really the

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only two researchers today that are doing current research on the Roswell case.

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We believe that the pharaoh was caused, which we're standing right close to where we believe it was,

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was caused by a vessel, a ship of some sort, that was still intact at that point or perhaps mostly

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intact glancing along the ground strong enough to cause a pharaoh but then becoming airborne again

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and coming to rest further down the trail. We'd like to know on what basis do you feel that this

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is actually an accurate place for us to be starting? People who are actually here in 47,

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eyewitnesses who independently brought us to this very site. Okay now which witnesses are you

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talking about? Who actually brought you here? First of all the rancher's son Bill Brasso Jr.

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He would come into this area and walk and he would say and this is where I saw a pharaoh.

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He described it as 10 foot wide, a few inches deep but almost 500 feet long. I respect what these

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guys are doing. I know it's their passion and it's what they really believe in. I just have a hard

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time with it because I don't believe it. This is the site the Air Force even acknowledges as the balloon

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site. So there's no debate on this site. There never has been. The ranch owners, the ranch foreman

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for the last 60 years, this has been the site. There have been other UFR researchers who have

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also agreed that we're in the right place but then you have to ask the question of what's the scale

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of right place? This is a tricky issue. You're dealing with a huge amount of land. When Don Schmidt

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is talking to Roswell witnesses who tell him, oh yes the impact occurred just over to the left of

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this area here and just over there, I can find it very credible. But to be honest with you that's

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just not necessarily going to be good enough from an archaeological perspective because that doesn't

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mean that you're going to find anything. What we're here to do today is to get the evidence. So what do

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you say we get started and try to get the evidence? Let's find the pharaoh and let's go from there.

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So Dave, did you find anything that you think we ought to use Alley's Backhoe to investigate?

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Immediately north of the Test Pit 103 are some anomalous features. What they had done was to use

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a ground penetrating radar that initially detected what was thought to be certain kinds of density

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differences underneath the soil. It had a high potential for picking up underground signals

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that might represent a furl or a gouge that was buried. Is that stick right? You got to go in from

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check your stick. You got to go from 210 to 304. Check the front of the stick.

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See look it. Kid's finding errors already. If that's all four quarters of the main units,

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we can go ahead and start digging.

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We did some more digging. Did a lot of digging.

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Lots and lots of digging. We're dealing with UFOs. We don't always have the luxury of

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having our proof handed to us on a platter.

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We sifted through a lot of the soil and you know we did the best job we could

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and hopefully we find something. I've got a real strong hope that we're gonna find something

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because I believe man. It's great to be able to apply physical science to any kind of UFO

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investigation but in fact you know what? What it comes down to time and again is you have to talk

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to people. There's no way to get around this. Really nice to meet you. My name's Rich. We wanted

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to find out more about what we were looking for. So we met with Vaughn Fritz, the granddaughter of

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Mac Brazel, the rancher who first discovered the gouge and the debris we're hoping to find.

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She's one of the few people still alive that spoke with the man who essentially started the Roswell

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story. I felt honored to be able to be someone to interview her and ask her some questions about

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this famous event in modern history. The military came out and what I've been told they were armed

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to arm all the way through this whole pasture. The whole thing. I mean shoulder, the whole pasture.

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No not just right here. The whole pasture. Shoulder to shoulder. Shoulder to shoulder. Picking up stuff.

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Look if the military did come out here shoulder to shoulder looking for debris it strongly suggests

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that there was something more than just a weather balloon that came down here. I find the balloon

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explanation to be laughable and kind of an insult to be honest with you. Vaughn, there was a was

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there material that your grandfather took back to to the house. Grandpa come out he found debris.

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He picked it up. He put it in his saddlebag. I mean this is this is

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well something out of this world to them. You don't take a knife and cut something and it won't cut.

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That was unknown. Unheard of. One of the most compelling descriptions of the materials that

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I've heard was this so-called memory metal. Not only could you not cut it or tear it but according

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to some witnesses if you crumble it up it would just spring right back into shape.

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Is it true or that that some of that might have been taken away or?

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They went through the barns all the tack barns the feed barns they moved everything emptied

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everything they totally emptied all the water out of the steel tank. I mean they emptied everything

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out in the house. Debris and gouges are one thing but we all heard the stories that her grandfather

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saw something that was even more shocking. Did he ever mention anything about bodies to you?

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He was talking to another person and grandpa just lowered his head and kind of shook his head

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and said the poor little creatures that's all he said and to come out here and find something like

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that was no doubt disturbing. I think maybe she was nervous about coming out here which anyone

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would be if you know your grandfather was the one who saw dead bodies of aliens out at Roswell.

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When you analyze that type of a story I think you have to use some common sense here okay.

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What would cause her to have an exaggerated story? I really can't see it. These are farming people

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they're down to earth they're not prone to hysteria it seems to me that it probably happened as she said.

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When I want to show you where we're gonna put these trenches. In 2002 by digging a deep trench

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I was able to discover a v-shaped mark that could indicate where a UFO skidded across the desert.

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Now we want to find conclusive evidence that a furl really does exist here. The

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ground penetrating radar pronounced that that somewhere in this area there's some kind of

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signature and we're kind of curious as to what it is. We thought well maybe this is evidence of

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the furl the backhoe will tell us whether it is or not. Hey, I spot for you.

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Finally we got the backhoe going and we started digging the trench.

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That was pumped and then he wouldn't let me use the machine. The alley stuck to those controls of

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the backhoe like it was his firstborn. He wasn't letting me anywhere near the thing.

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I think you want to go over here three or four feet.

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Did you leave Rob in charge? Oh wait but it's good enough.

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I am not sure what I'm gonna find in this big hole for digging.

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Coming up, a witness who claims he saw alien bodies at the Roswell Army base

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comes forward after 60 years of scared silence. Could you give me any details about what the

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face looked like? Plus was there a government cover-up in the desert? You know we've also heard

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people being told in no uncertain terms if you talk about what you saw will kill you and your family.

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Today Rich and I went to the Roswell Army base, the Hangar 84 where we met with a witness that

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came forward for the first time in public. He was reluctant for a long time to come forward.

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He was a first-hand witness to an actual the actual wreckage of the Roswell crash in 1947.

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Here we are in a pretty big hangar. In this place here he brings a lot of memories.

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He doesn't want his his name out there. He's afraid of losing his pension. That's what he said to me

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privately off the camera. And you know what he's not the first such Roswell witness to say this

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type of a thing. I wonder if you can just give us a kind of summary of what you saw when you were

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here in July of 1947 working at Roswell Army Airfield. Well it was very unusual because

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when I first got here I was told that what I was going to see I never saw it. I never

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was proposed to talk about it. You saw wreckage. Yeah. And it did it look like aircraft wreckage?

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Like an ordinary kind of plane that might have gone down? I've seen a lot of aircraft wreckage and

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they hit the ground. They burned. You can see a lot of burned pieces of what's left over. On this thing

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you didn't have that kind of appearance. Yes I'm skeptical but I have to say that in my heart that

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it wasn't a weather balloon. So what happened when you went to the hospital? One door there at the

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hospital was partially open on the corridor there. Yes. And there was a terrible water there. It was

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a smell you know. And inside they were working in a small creature. Did it look human? No. No.

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You feel confident that that was not a human being?

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No I don't think it was a human being. I asked him a couple of times trying to get a sense of did

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you really think this was a non-human? He seemed to think it was a non-human. He seemed to be pretty

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sure about that. Could you give me any details about what the face looked like? Did you see eyes,

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nose, mouth? The nose was a little much portion. He wasn't a regular nose like that.

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He was much just protruded something a little. Was he dead or alive? He was still alive. This one was

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moved a little and he moved slow and then he moved the other way.

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How close did you get to this creature in the hospital? About roughly about 20 feet.

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Well thank you so much for talking to us. I really appreciate it. Thank you.

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Thank you. He believes in his heart that he saw something that didn't come from this world.

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I got a real feeling from him that he was telling the truth.

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We're left with the testimony of this clearly very sincere,

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seeming man. I would have a very hard time trying to say I don't believe you.

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Has your attitude about Roswell evolved at all? I feel a little different. Now that I'm actually

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at the place where the event happened. I've changed my mind over this whole journey. I was

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really skeptical coming into it. Something happened here. There's no question. There's no doubt in

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my mind that something went on. Lisa wanted to visit the UFO Museum in Roswell. I decided to go talk

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to Stanley Friedman. There are a lot of people who've looked into the Roswell case but he spent

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the most number of years talking to probably the most number of witnesses on Roswell and he's really

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the person responsible for bringing Roswell into the public eye at all. You've done extensive

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research on the government's role in Roswell incident. Do you think that there was a cover-up?

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There's no question that they have been lying through their teeth. Why wouldn't the Air Force

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be telling the truth? At least initially it was probably legitimate concerns with national security.

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We don't know what these things are. We don't know where they're coming from. How can we go public

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and say we can't defend the country? We spoke with a man who said he was afraid all these years

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to come forward because he's afraid of losing his pension. He's afraid of other possible

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repercussions because of what he knows about Roswell. Do you find that believable? I certainly

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find that credible. Yes. And you know we've also heard people being told the no uncertain terms.

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If you talk about what you saw, we'll kill you and your family. They put the fear of God in you.

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Look, New Mexico is a place that at that time had more classified work going than any place else.

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We met with Matt Brasl's granddaughter. She recalled her grandfather talking about

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those poor little creatures and she says, look, he was talking exactly about aliens.

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It is pretty credible that he would have seen that and have been debriefed very strongly,

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not to say anything under any conditions. The Air Force said that there were no

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alien bodies at Roswell but that there were crash test dummies. They said that they dropped these

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dummies at high altitudes for certain tests. Do you find that credible? Not at all. The dummies

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were six feet tall and 175 pounds and they weren't dropped until six years after Roswell and how you

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can get those to morph into little guys like this. I just don't understand. The Air Force's main

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explanation for Roswell was that it wasn't a flying saucer but rather it was a kind of balloon

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that called it the mogul balloon which was used to do testing to see when the Soviets were going

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to detonate on the Thomas bomb. What do you think about that? I think they're full of

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bologna. There was nothing classified about the technology of mogul balloons. Mogul had standard

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conventional weather balloons at this time. The purpose of mogul was classified. But not the technology

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They often were led to rot in the desert. I do think Roswell was a cover-up. I think that's

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the most plausible scenario that I can concede for everything that happened.

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Coming up, Rich and Lisa head back to the dig site but will the unforgiving desert finally

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reveal its deepest secrets?

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We didn't find any alien debris but we were still holding out hope that by digging a few trenches

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we might find evidence of an old furrow in the ground that is now covered up. In 2002 I found

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this V-shaped mark in the side of a trench that I thought might be evidence of a UFO

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skidding across the earth some 60 years ago. But I didn't have a chance to dig around this one mark

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to see if it continued. If it does, it might validate claims that a UFO did strike the ground here.

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Hey guys, I want to show you what we got in these backhoe trenches. What you find, Bill?

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What's going on? Just a few minutes ago we took a look at the excavated dig site

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and Bill Doleman gave an explanation as to what he thinks was going on with that.

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Bill, is there evidence of a fissure, of a gash of some sort, any kind of impact, and what you're

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seeing? No, these signals are the results of a totally understandable natural process.

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When we got the signal we said well either there's a furrow there or there's bedrock

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near the surface. It turned out to be bedrock near the surface. What's the next step? What do we do now?

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There's only one other thing for us to do.

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And I thought we need to answer this question now and I brought Alleycat and his backhoe in and he

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used the front-end loader to carefully just shave across the entire thing and so that we would have

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a smooth surface and we could clean it up and then see if that furrow showed up in the plan view

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of that area. I'll give you an old burrow or an old furrow.

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It didn't. We haven't found anything that I wouldn't consider to be evidence of a furrow.

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There were pretty much two huge highlights today. The first one was when I had to open the

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car door with a piece of wire because someone locked the keys in it. There it is!

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And the second one was when the dust devil tornado almost ripped apart our lunch facility.

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Other than that, not too much happened today. Maybe it's a joke to some people but it's worth

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investigating. I believe that a big question that that we couldn't answer too well is are we in the

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right place? It's not like there's still a flying saucer line out there on the ground.

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It almost looks like more research needs to be done. I hate to say it. There is an open question

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here and there will probably be always be an open question here. Well, I think you guys did a good

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job too and I really appreciate you putting your knees on the ground and working hard to

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dig this stuff up. It was fun. Good job. It's right Bill. High five. All right. Who could possibly

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say in their right mind that they know what went on here? If anything ever happens here,

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the government did a pretty good job cleaning it up. I think until the mothership lands in

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somebody's backyard, they're never going to be able to prove this thing. The real question is,

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does this close the Roswell case? Well, no. Clearly it doesn't. There doesn't appear to

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be evidence for an object slamming into the earth at that spot. However, it could be off by a couple

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of meters one way or the other. It's a big field. Who knows? On the season